Comments on: The Most Proud One http://Amos37.com/2009/11/11/the-most-proud-one/ Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:50:16 +0000 hourly 1 By: Amos 3:7 http://Amos37.com/2009/11/11/the-most-proud-one/comment-page-1/#comment-6514 Amos 3:7 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:10:14 +0000 http://Amos37.com/?p=1614#comment-6514 Wow! That's a lengthy comment. Do you copy and paste this with everyone or are you sincere. Never the less I give everyone space that plays nice and we can talk. First the question of versions. There are many many apostate sects within the Church. as outlined in too many passages to innumerate. This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2Timothy 3:1-5. That verse isn't talking about unbelievers, but people in the Church. Wolves dressed like sheep. Jesus and the prophets warned us of this. Revelation Ch. 2-3 describe the 7 types of Churches and the influence of the world on them. Only 2 of the 7 received a good word from the Lord. If it where written by men it would speak much more highly of ourselves. No the bible is straight and to the point. Bible translations. Today most of read a translation and not Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. So we have translated from many manuscripts. When we read scripture and we come to a seeming contradiction we must look closer at the original text. Many people today do not know how to study. We must take the text and see what the context meant to the original audience in that culture. Idioms of yesterday have a different meaning today. When we look at the original text we find such great things our culture today does not understand. We also find that manuscript evidence that Muslims have been taught are corrupted is easily refuted in the discovery on ancient manuscripts (Dead Sea Scrolls) that are virtually identical to today's manuscripts. God is good and He is able to guard His word even from wicked men who do change His word. Today the best english translations come from the Textus Receptus. KJV, NKJV, NASB are good versions. Many of the others have numerous deletions which expose the poor scholarship and liberal agenda within many apostate sects. There however is a move within liberal theologians who deny the very things you do interestingly enough. They are apostates and this is the very sign given before the day of the Lord as your understanding of the Last day with the occultation the bibles describes just before the battle of Armageddon. Where God will gather ALL nations together to judge them for trying to divide His land. Why... Good question. The issue of Jesus deity. He was fully God and fully man. This is the crucial central issue of all unbelievers. Jesus claimed to be the great "I Am" of the burning bush with Moses. Exodus 3:14, Jesus when speaking to the apostate religious leaders during His earthly ministry. He gave this strong warning to those who do not believe His declaration. Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I Am , ye shall die in your sins. John 8:21-24 This warning still applies today. See the prophet Isaiah chapters 40-49 where it is unmistakable that the LORD God of the bible (YWHW) mentioned over 6000 times in the bible is Jesus! See the names (synonyms) of God, Holy One, Creator, Savior just to mention a few. They are all exclusive titles of God, yet they are all titles of Jesus. What gives here! See article on YHWH "His Name" http://amos37.com/2009/11/25/his-name/ See Hebrews Ch. 1, for the conversation of God and His Son. John Ch. 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. vs.14 says, that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us! WOW. It was all part of God's plan to come in the likeness of sinful flesh condemned sin in the flesh. Romans 8:3. This is where God crushed the serpents head at the cross. The Creator came to redeem us back to Himself in His great love for us when we where yet still enemies. That's love. The issue of Oneness. Jesus Himself prays for us in this manner. It is unity in plurality. Elohim is the plural noun for god, God, gods. It is technically grammatically incorrect every time it is used when speaking of God. For God is one. See Jesus prayer in John Ch. 17 He prayed that we be one as He is with the Father. Note that prayer describes His pre-existence. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2Thessalonians 2:3-4. Notice that this all centers around Israel and Jerusalem. This is why the nations (UN, Europe, Russian, USA) all are trying to divide Israel. Note the prophets Joel and Zechariah and many others all pointed to this time of the end. “For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; (Armageddon) And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land. Joel 3:1-2 History is unfolding before us. You see God made promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob we know as the Jew's today (I know you probably hate them). Yeah they have blown it big time with God, just like all of us. Yet God is faithful, unlike us. God is not a man (as you quoted) that He should lie. This very nature of God is why He looks at Israel like an unfaithful harlot. (see book of Hosea). See God is love and He still loves His people, you and me. He gave His son for us. That is love. God will use Israel to judge the nations who come against her. She will suffer greatly yet He will purify a people for Himself. “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. Zechariah 12:2-3 Finally much of what you quoted is out of context, but many Christians get that wrong also. The issue of "It was an old Greek mythology to which Christianity also fell victim, to think of the great man as an incarnation of the deity." As I see your charging me with the crime of Shirk. That is how many other religions and Christian cults all deny the deity of Christ. It is the age ole lie of smoke and mirrors used by the makers of Zietgiest. See our expose on that also. http://amos37.com/2009/02/19/zeitgeist-exposed/ You have many good questions. I am a skeptic by nature and God has blessed me with looking into His word for myself. I pray you seek honestly both sides. May the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob bless you in the knowledge of Himself. Wow! That’s a lengthy comment. Do you copy and paste this with everyone or are you sincere.

Never the less I give everyone space that plays nice and we can talk.

First the question of versions. There are many many apostate sects within the Church. as outlined in too many passages to innumerate.

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2Timothy 3:1-5.

That verse isn’t talking about unbelievers, but people in the Church. Wolves dressed like sheep. Jesus and the prophets warned us of this. Revelation Ch. 2-3 describe the 7 types of Churches and the influence of the world on them. Only 2 of the 7 received a good word from the Lord. If it where written by men it would speak much more highly of ourselves. No the bible is straight and to the point.

Bible translations. Today most of read a translation and not Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. So we have translated from many manuscripts. When we read scripture and we come to a seeming contradiction we must look closer at the original text. Many people today do not know how to study. We must take the text and see what the context meant to the original audience in that culture. Idioms of yesterday have a different meaning today. When we look at the original text we find such great things our culture today does not understand. We also find that manuscript evidence that Muslims have been taught are corrupted is easily refuted in the discovery on ancient manuscripts (Dead Sea Scrolls) that are virtually identical to today’s manuscripts. God is good and He is able to guard His word even from wicked men who do change His word. Today the best english translations come from the Textus Receptus. KJV, NKJV, NASB are good versions. Many of the others have numerous deletions which expose the poor scholarship and liberal agenda within many apostate sects.

There however is a move within liberal theologians who deny the very things you do interestingly enough. They are apostates and this is the very sign given before the day of the Lord as your understanding of the Last day with the occultation the bibles describes just before the battle of Armageddon. Where God will gather ALL nations together to judge them for trying to divide His land.

Why… Good question. The issue of Jesus deity. He was fully God and fully man. This is the crucial central issue of all unbelievers. Jesus claimed to be the great “I Am” of the burning bush with Moses. Exodus 3:14, Jesus when speaking to the apostate religious leaders during His earthly ministry. He gave this strong warning to those who do not believe His declaration.

Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I Am , ye shall die in your sins. John 8:21-24

This warning still applies today. See the prophet Isaiah chapters 40-49 where it is unmistakable that the LORD God of the bible (YWHW) mentioned over 6000 times in the bible is Jesus! See the names (synonyms) of God, Holy One, Creator, Savior just to mention a few. They are all exclusive titles of God, yet they are all titles of Jesus. What gives here! See article on YHWH “His Name” http://amos37.com/2009/11/25/his-name/

See Hebrews Ch. 1, for the conversation of God and His Son.

John Ch. 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. vs.14 says, that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us! WOW. It was all part of God’s plan to come in the likeness of sinful flesh condemned sin in the flesh. Romans 8:3. This is where God crushed the serpents head at the cross. The Creator came to redeem us back to Himself in His great love for us when we where yet still enemies. That’s love.

The issue of Oneness. Jesus Himself prays for us in this manner. It is unity in plurality. Elohim is the plural noun for god, God, gods. It is technically grammatically incorrect every time it is used when speaking of God. For God is one. See Jesus prayer in John Ch. 17 He prayed that we be one as He is with the Father. Note that prayer describes His pre-existence.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2Thessalonians 2:3-4.

Notice that this all centers around Israel and Jerusalem. This is why the nations (UN, Europe, Russian, USA) all are trying to divide Israel. Note the prophets Joel and Zechariah and many others all pointed to this time of the end.

“For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; (Armageddon) And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land. Joel 3:1-2 History is unfolding before us.

You see God made promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob we know as the Jew’s today (I know you probably hate them). Yeah they have blown it big time with God, just like all of us. Yet God is faithful, unlike us. God is not a man (as you quoted) that He should lie. This very nature of God is why He looks at Israel like an unfaithful harlot. (see book of Hosea). See God is love and He still loves His people, you and me. He gave His son for us. That is love. God will use Israel to judge the nations who come against her. She will suffer greatly yet He will purify a people for Himself.

“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. Zechariah 12:2-3

Finally much of what you quoted is out of context, but many Christians get that wrong also. The issue of “It was an old Greek mythology to which Christianity also fell victim, to think of the great man as an incarnation of the deity.” As I see your charging me with the crime of Shirk. That is how many other religions and Christian cults all deny the deity of Christ.
It is the age ole lie of smoke and mirrors used by the makers of Zietgiest. See our expose on that also. http://amos37.com/2009/02/19/zeitgeist-exposed/

You have many good questions. I am a skeptic by nature and God has blessed me with looking into His word for myself. I pray you seek honestly both sides.

May the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob bless you in the knowledge of Himself.

]]> By: ahmad erandio http://Amos37.com/2009/11/11/the-most-proud-one/comment-page-1/#comment-6139 ahmad erandio Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:29:40 +0000 http://Amos37.com/?p=1614#comment-6139 ARE YOU SURE FOR WHAT YOU ARE TAKEN FROM THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD? In the bible; the Douay Version used by the Roman Catholic, the name of the creator is ADONAI or YAHWEH but in the King James Version the name of the creator is Jehovah who tell the truth THE CATHOLIC OR THE BAPTIST? Could you explain me please which bible is true the Douay Version the 73 books used by the roman catholic or the King James Version the 66 books used by the protestant? According by the catholic priest the protestant and other religion using KJV, RSV & other 66 books will not enter paradise because they turnout the 7 books from their bible the Douay version and according by the protestant the catholic priest will not enter paradise because they add 7 books from their bible the Douay version the 73 books. THE QUESTION IS WHO INTER THE HELLFIRE? You know what the problem guys are? Both in their bible say’s: in the chapter apocalypse (revelation) Revelation 22:18-19. For I testify to everyone that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: if any man shall add to these things, god shall add unto him the plagues written in this book. The question is who enter in the hellfire! The one who add the words of the bible, the catholic who used the Douay Version the 73 books or the protestant & other religion, who made minus the bible? CONTRADICTORY ATTRIBUTES OF GOD IN THE BIBLE: John 1:18 and Jesus said: no man hath seen god at anytime == vs. == Exodus 33:11 and the lord spoke unto Moses face to face. WHO COMMIT LIE; JESUS, JOHN OR MOSES? OR THE CHRISTIAN NOWADAYS! WHO IS PLEASE? CONTRADICTORY ATTRIBUTES OF GOD IN THE BIBLE: John 5:37 Jesus said: and the father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape == vs. == Genesis 32:30 and Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen god face to face and my life is preserved. WHO COMMIT LIE JESUS, JACOB OR THE BIBLE? WHICH BIBLE IS TRUE CAN U HELP ME? In the bible; the Douay Version used by the Roman Catholic, the name of the creator is YAHWEH or ADONAI but in the King James Version of the bible the name of the creator is JEHOVAH, ----- WHO TELL THE TRUTH THE CATHOLIC OR THE BAPTIST? Could u explain me please which bible is true; the Douay version the 73 books used by the roman catholic or the KJV, used by the protestant RSV, NIV & other 66 books? The question is who enter in the hellfire! The one who add the words of the bible, the catholic who used the Douay Version the 73 books or the protestant and other religion, who made minus the bible? THEY CHANGE UNTO A LIE And because of chauvinism the original words of the bible they change by their own desire. So mostly of the Christian of today they misunderstood the bible deeply because their preacher and scholar change the truth unto a lie for the benefits of their own interest (power money and pride). 99% OF THE CHRISTIAN PREACHER THE PAPA AND THE PASTORS ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE Most of the papa and the highest priest in Vatican and other sect of Christianity they do their best how to counter act or divert the teaching of Islam FOR EXAMPLE if Islam teach us to worship god alone so, they divert it to trinity the word trinity itself not written in the bible at all? Example: # 1, If Islam teach us god has no a son so, they divert that god has a son # 2, if Islam teach us fell our faces unto the ground, so they divert to, dancing and singing, while it was written in the bible to fell their faces unto the ground. Mathew 26:39 mark 14:35 Jesus fell on his face unto the ground. The question is: is this the way of worship of Jesus before? Dancing and singing with music instrument? The answer is no! That was innovation by the priest and the pastors. We like or not 99% of the Christian preacher the papa and the pastors are absolutely against the bible. # 3, If Islam teach their women to oblige to cover thy hair, the Christian they never teach it, even it was written in the bible to cover the hair of their women. 1-corinthians 11:5-6 but every woman that prayed or prophesied with her head uncovered dishonored her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her be also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. # 4 if Islam teaches their women not to speak or lead the prayer inside the mosque, the Christian they allowed their women to speak and lead the prayer inside the church even it was written in the bible for not speaks their women inside the church! 1stcorinthians 14:34-35 let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak: and if they will learn anything, let them ask their husband at home: for it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church. # 5, If Islam teaches us the oneness of god’s name the Christian calling god in many names even the bible teach them that god has one name. Zechariah 14:9 and the lord shall be king over all the earth and his name is one. MOST OF THE PREACHER IN THE DIFFERENT SECT OF CHRISTIANITY IS REBELLIOUS IN THE BIBLE FOR EXAMPLE: Jesus said; teaching of doctrines is the commandments of men and to worship him is in vain? But of the Christian preacher says, we should worship Jesus. Mathew 15:9 Jesus said: but in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. IF THE BIBLE SAYS JESUS IS A MAN - THE PRIEST AND THE PASTOR SAYS JESUS IS GOD Act 2:22- Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of god among you by miracles and wonders and signs. 1-Timothy 2:5 - for there is one god, and one mediator between god and men, the man Christ Jesus. IF THE BIBLE SAYS GOD CAN NEVER BE IN HUMAN FLESH - THE PRIEST AND THE PASTOR SAYS GOD CAN BE A MAN Numbers 23:19 - God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man, that he should repent: Hosea 11:9 - I am god not a man.... Job 25:4- How then can man be justified with God? Or how can be clean that is born of a woman? IF THE BIBLE SAYS TO HOPE JESUS ALONE IS MISERABLE - THE PRIEST AND THE PASTORS SAYS WE SHOULD HOPE JESUS ALONE. 1-Corinthians 15:19- If in this life only we hope in Christ we are all men most miserable. IF THE BIBLE SAYS JESUS IS A PROPHET – THE PRIEST AND THE PASTORS SAYS JESUS IS GOD MATHEW 21:11- and the multitude said, this is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee. JOHN 6:14- then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said this is of a truth that the prophet that should come into the world. Quran 5:75 Christ the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah (The Almighty God) doth make His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! Reason also refuses to accept a man who was born of a woman, suffered from human beings, as God. To put human limitation upon God and to believe in His complete manifestation in the human body is to deny the perfection of God. It was an old Greek mythology to which Christianity also fell victim, to think of the great man as an incarnation of the deity. And in Islam to those who associating along with God is the great sin that God forgive Him not, except those who repent towards God, and to worship Him alone. Qur’an 3:50-51 And Jesus said: I have come to you with a proof from your lord so fear Allah (The Almighty God) and obey me. Truly Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him [alone]. That is a straight path. Quran 4:171 O people of the Book! (The Christian and the Jew) Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah (The Almighty God) aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messenger. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. Muslim love and respect Jesus as one of the mightiest Messenger of God that no one can enter paradise without believing on him, and in the coming of Jesus he is a living witness to those who reject the oneness of God. As the Quran stated: ALLAH SAY’S TO JESUS DIDST THOU SAY UNTO MEN WORSHIP ME AND MY MOTHER? Quran 5:116 And behold! Allah will say "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men `worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"? He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in thine. For thou knowest in full all what is hidden. JESUS SAID: NEVER SAID I TO THEM: Quran 5:117 "Never did I say to them aught except what You [Allah (The Almighty God)] did command me to say: `Worship Allah my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up thou wast the Watcher over them and Thou art a Witness to all things. Islam teaches the way to true happiness. If we live in accordance with God’s will, no evil shall befall us. He is absolutely good; hence all that comes from Him must be regarded as good since evil cannot proceed from God. So, believe in God and worship Him alone that is the right path. Quran19:30 Jesus said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet. Quran 19:31 Jesus said: "And He hath made me blessed whosesoever I be and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live. Quran 5:75 Christ the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah (The Almighty God) doth make His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! Reason also refuses to accept a man who was born of a woman, suffered from human beings, as God. To put human limitation upon God and to believe in His complete manifestation in the human body is to deny the perfection of God. It was an old Greek mythology to which Christianity also fell victim, to think of the great man as an incarnation of the deity. And in Islam to those who associating along with God is the great sin that God forgive Him not, except those who repent towards God, and to worship Him alone. Qur’an 3:50-51 And Jesus said: I have come to you with a proof from your lord so fear Allah (The Almighty God) and obey me. Truly Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him [alone]. That is a straight path. Quran 9:31 “The [Jews and Christian] take their Rabbis and their priests to be their lords besides Allah (The Almighty God) and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but one Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to him: (far is He) from having the partners they associate (with him). THE CHRISTIAN WHO CHANGE THE TRUTH OF GOD UNTO A LIE Roma 1:25- who change the truth of god into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the creator, who is blessed forever. ARE YOU SURE FOR WHAT YOU ARE TAKEN FROM THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD?
In the bible; the Douay Version used by the Roman Catholic, the name of the creator is ADONAI or YAHWEH but in the King James Version the name of the creator is Jehovah who tell the truth THE CATHOLIC OR THE BAPTIST?

Could you explain me please which bible is true the Douay Version the 73 books used by the roman catholic or the King James Version the 66 books used by the protestant?

According by the catholic priest the protestant and other religion using KJV, RSV & other 66 books will not enter paradise because they turnout the 7 books from their bible the Douay version and according by the protestant the catholic priest will not enter paradise because they add 7 books from their bible the Douay version the 73 books.

THE QUESTION IS WHO INTER THE HELLFIRE?

You know what the problem guys are? Both in their bible say’s: in the chapter apocalypse (revelation)
Revelation 22:18-19. For I testify to everyone that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: if any man shall add to these things, god shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.

The question is who enter in the hellfire! The one who add the words of the bible, the catholic who used the Douay Version the 73 books or the protestant & other religion, who made minus the bible?

CONTRADICTORY ATTRIBUTES OF GOD IN THE BIBLE:

John 1:18 and Jesus said: no man hath seen god at anytime == vs. == Exodus 33:11 and the lord spoke unto Moses face to face. WHO COMMIT LIE; JESUS, JOHN OR MOSES? OR THE CHRISTIAN NOWADAYS! WHO IS PLEASE?

CONTRADICTORY ATTRIBUTES OF GOD IN THE BIBLE:

John 5:37 Jesus said: and the father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape == vs. == Genesis 32:30 and Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen god face to face and my life is preserved. WHO COMMIT LIE JESUS, JACOB OR THE BIBLE?

WHICH BIBLE IS TRUE CAN U HELP ME?

In the bible; the Douay Version used by the Roman Catholic, the name of the creator is YAHWEH or ADONAI but in the King James Version of the bible the name of the creator is JEHOVAH, —– WHO TELL THE TRUTH THE CATHOLIC OR THE BAPTIST?

Could u explain me please which bible is true; the Douay version the 73 books used by the roman catholic or the KJV, used by the protestant RSV, NIV & other 66 books?
The question is who enter in the hellfire! The one who add the words of the bible, the catholic who used the Douay Version the 73 books or the protestant and other religion, who made minus the bible?

THEY CHANGE UNTO A LIE

And because of chauvinism the original words of the bible they change by their own desire. So mostly of the Christian of today they misunderstood the bible deeply because their preacher and scholar change the truth unto a lie for the benefits of their own interest (power money and pride).

99% OF THE CHRISTIAN PREACHER THE PAPA AND THE PASTORS ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE

Most of the papa and the highest priest in Vatican and other sect of Christianity they do their best how to counter act or divert the teaching of Islam FOR EXAMPLE if Islam teach us to worship god alone so, they divert it to trinity the word trinity itself not written in the bible at all?

Example:

# 1, If Islam teach us god has no a son so, they divert that god has a son

# 2, if Islam teach us fell our faces unto the ground, so they divert to, dancing and singing, while it was written in the bible to fell their faces unto the ground. Mathew 26:39 mark 14:35 Jesus fell on his face unto the ground.

The question is: is this the way of worship of Jesus before? Dancing and singing with music instrument? The answer is no! That was innovation by the priest and the pastors. We like or not 99% of the Christian preacher the papa and the pastors are absolutely against the bible.

# 3, If Islam teach their women to oblige to cover thy hair, the Christian they never teach it, even it was written in the bible to cover the hair of their women.
1-corinthians 11:5-6 but every woman that prayed or prophesied with her head uncovered dishonored her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her be also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

# 4 if Islam teaches their women not to speak or lead the prayer inside the mosque, the Christian they allowed their women to speak and lead the prayer inside the church even it was written in the bible for not speaks their women inside the church!

1stcorinthians 14:34-35 let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak: and if they will learn anything, let them ask their husband at home: for it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.

# 5, If Islam teaches us the oneness of god’s name the Christian calling god in many names even the bible teach them that god has one name.

Zechariah 14:9 and the lord shall be king over all the earth and his name is one.

MOST OF THE PREACHER IN THE DIFFERENT SECT OF CHRISTIANITY IS REBELLIOUS IN THE BIBLE

FOR EXAMPLE:

Jesus said; teaching of doctrines is the commandments of men and to worship him is in vain? But of the Christian preacher says, we should worship Jesus.

Mathew 15:9 Jesus said: but in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

IF THE BIBLE SAYS JESUS IS A MAN – THE PRIEST AND THE PASTOR SAYS JESUS IS GOD

Act 2:22- Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of god among you by miracles and wonders and signs.

1-Timothy 2:5 – for there is one god, and one mediator between god and men, the man Christ Jesus.

IF THE BIBLE SAYS GOD CAN NEVER BE IN HUMAN FLESH – THE PRIEST AND THE PASTOR SAYS GOD CAN BE A MAN

Numbers 23:19 – God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man, that he should repent:

Hosea 11:9 – I am god not a man….
Job 25:4- How then can man be justified with God? Or how can be clean that is born of a woman?

IF THE BIBLE SAYS TO HOPE JESUS ALONE IS MISERABLE – THE PRIEST AND THE PASTORS SAYS WE SHOULD HOPE JESUS ALONE.

1-Corinthians 15:19- If in this life only we hope in Christ we are all men most miserable.
IF THE BIBLE SAYS JESUS IS A PROPHET – THE PRIEST AND THE PASTORS SAYS JESUS IS GOD

MATHEW 21:11- and the multitude said, this is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.

JOHN 6:14- then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said this is of a truth that the prophet that should come into the world.

Quran 5:75 Christ the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah (The Almighty God) doth make His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!

Reason also refuses to accept a man who was born of a woman, suffered from human beings, as God. To put human limitation upon God and to believe in His complete manifestation in the human body is to deny the perfection of God.

It was an old Greek mythology to which Christianity also fell victim, to think of the great man as an incarnation of the deity. And in Islam to those who associating along with God is the great sin that God forgive Him not, except those who repent towards God, and to worship Him alone.

Qur’an 3:50-51 And Jesus said: I have come to you with a proof from your lord so fear Allah (The Almighty God) and obey me. Truly Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him [alone]. That is a straight path.

Quran 4:171 O people of the Book! (The Christian and the Jew) Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah (The Almighty God) aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messenger.

Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Muslim love and respect Jesus as one of the mightiest Messenger of God that no one can enter paradise without believing on him, and in the coming of Jesus he is a living witness to those who reject the oneness of God. As the Quran stated:

ALLAH SAY’S TO JESUS DIDST THOU SAY UNTO MEN WORSHIP ME AND MY MOTHER?

Quran 5:116 And behold! Allah will say “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men `worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah”? He will say: “Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in thine. For thou knowest in full all what is hidden.

JESUS SAID: NEVER SAID I TO THEM:

Quran 5:117 “Never did I say to them aught except what You [Allah (The Almighty God)] did command me to say: `Worship Allah my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up thou wast the Watcher over them and Thou art a Witness to all things.

Islam teaches the way to true happiness. If we live in accordance with God’s will, no evil shall befall us. He is absolutely good; hence all that comes from Him must be regarded as good since evil cannot proceed from God. So, believe in God and worship Him alone that is the right path.

Quran19:30 Jesus said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet.

Quran 19:31 Jesus said: “And He hath made me blessed whosesoever I be and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live.

Quran 5:75 Christ the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah (The Almighty God) doth make His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!

Reason also refuses to accept a man who was born of a woman, suffered from human beings, as God. To put human limitation upon God and to believe in His complete manifestation in the human body is to deny the perfection of God.

It was an old Greek mythology to which Christianity also fell victim, to think of the great man as an incarnation of the deity. And in Islam to those who associating along with God is the great sin that God forgive Him not, except those who repent towards God, and to worship Him alone.

Qur’an 3:50-51 And Jesus said: I have come to you with a proof from your lord so fear Allah (The Almighty God) and obey me. Truly Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him [alone]. That is a straight path.

Quran 9:31 “The [Jews and Christian] take their Rabbis and their priests to be their lords besides Allah (The Almighty God) and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but one Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to him: (far is He) from having the partners they associate (with him).

THE CHRISTIAN WHO CHANGE THE TRUTH OF GOD UNTO A LIE

Roma 1:25- who change the truth of god into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the creator, who is blessed forever.

]]>